EB: How long have you been working in the entertainment
industry?
RSM: Depends on what you want to
call working. I caught the bug my junior year of high school when I realized
that my dream of becoming an astrophysicist might not be within my skill
set. I was acting in a school-sponsored show at the same time and was told in a
serious way that I was good. That's when I decided to go into theatre.
If you want to count bill-paying
jobs in the industry, I moved to Los Angeles in 1988 and started working at
Universal Studios around 1990. Since then, I've been employed in one way or the
other in the business. Sometimes I'm in an office doing work that could be in
any other business. Sometimes I'm on a set with the director and producer
keeping up with script changes. There have been times when I was in charge of
everything and times I was a lowly extra. I'd like more of the former.
EB: How does your background in theater, television, and
film inform your writing?
The skills definitely transfer. In
fact, most of the actors I worked with at North Carolina School of the Arts are
now writers. Peter Hedges (What's Eating Gilbert Grape?) was a year ahead of
me. In my acting group alone we had Mary Beth Bass (Follow Me), Richard
Register (TV's Make It Or Break It) Bobby Bowman (Yes, Dear; My Name Is Earl;
Raising Hope), Suzanne Collins (Hunger Games), just to name a few.
When actors train -- and I mean a university
degree, study-as-hard-as-a-doctor-or-lawyer type of training -- they are really
studying writers. A stage actor will say "I've done Mamet" or Simon,
or Shakespeare, or Moliere, or whoever. By not only reading these stories, but
getting inside the characters, seeing everything from the character's point of
view -- literally -- then joining an ensemble to tell the story live in front
of an audience for immediate feedback, an actor learns very quickly what works
and what doesn't. We also see words on the page turned into a real thing, like
a set, costumes, sound, lights, etc. This helps the budding writer learn what
words do inside other people's heads.
As I've become more of a novelist, I
constantly marvel at the little things that work in all of the arts. In college
we actors were told to make a list of active verbs, since that's what we play. An
actor can't play an emotion. We can only try to achieve a goal against great obstacles.
Any writer who doesn't find that sentence familiar needs to study more.
When writing, I try to approach each
character as if I had to play the role live on stage -- where a slow scene
feels like death. I could never do that to another actor, nor my characters.
EB: Can you share a few tips you’ve learned from
screenwriting that translate well to novels?
RSM: Working on Xena: Warrior
Princess, I learned the importance of the "Act Out" -- the beat just
before they cut to commercial. This is the same as a chapter end in books. In
TV, like in theatre, these need to have an extra strong hook, since the
audience will literally walk away for a while. You have to have a big story
beat to make them want to come back.
When I got into film editing I learned
things like "always cut on motion." If there's nothing happening on
screen just before a cut, then the scene will feel slow painfully slow, even
though it's really just milliseconds too long. In a novel, if there are too
many words in a sentence, the read feels slow -- regardless of the style.
There are a thousand other little
things like this in my head.
EB: What is Dances With Films?
Dances With Films is a film festival
in Los Angeles with the motto: “No Stars. No Politics. No Sh*t.” My film premiered
there in 2000 and won best screenplay. I've been working with them ever since.
Again, the similarities between
industries is fascinating. A screenwriter/director will have a project
that they'd like to be distributed by a major studio, just like a novelist has
manuscripts they'd like to have published by one of the big six. The filmmaker
may make the movie, just like the writer may self-publish the book. The
difference is the filmmaker then has to find a distributor to sell his/her
movie, where the writer has to sell individually.
Dances With Films gives uber-indie
filmmakers a place to show their work. We break the ice for a lot of
filmmakers. I guess in the publishing world it would be like having a
convention where unpublished writers are chosen for the quality of their work
to do a reading for a live audience. Sure, there might not be editors or
acquisitions execs in the audience -- but having the feather in your cap of
being chosen might help along the way.EB: You’ve had some feathers in your cap from the television world. For example, a character you created for an Internet project happened to become the first to translate to screen. Please share what happened and how that came about.
RSM: It's kind of a long story, but
I've gotten good at condensing it over the years. One of my first jobs on the
lot at Universal was for Television Information Services. They did all of the
computer stuff for TV production, sales, etc. When I left that job, I "floated"
on the lot -- which is like being in an old-fashioned temp pool. I landed the
job on Xena when a fax from the Hercules office in New Zealand landed on my
desk. Someone handed it to me saying, "This came to the wrong number,
throw it away." It was the final approval for the series budget on a new
TV show, so I called the Renaissance office to ask if they were waiting on
it... a couple of months later, I had a job.
Later, I ran into one of my old
bosses from TVIS. He was doing this thing called a webpage for Xena. I was
vaguely familiar with what that was and asked if he wanted to meet with the
writers. I knew full well an idea would come out of that meeting, and that I'd
be the only one available to write it. That's how The Xena Scrolls were
created. A year later, when they did an episode based on my characters on the
website, I got the story credit.
A year after that, when all my
friends in TVIS were replaced by an entire department called New Media – and companies
wanted to merchandise products based on my characters that were only on the
website, and not in any episodes, the lawyers came in and it all got shot to
hell. A few years after that, the WGA had a long strike asking for many of the
same things I was back in 1995. I don't think either one of us got them.
Did I say I'd gotten good at
condensing this? I lied.
EB: When did you start thinking of yourself as a writer
first and actor or filmmaker second?
I've always written, but I never
thought of myself as a writer until I temped as a writer's assistant on a Fox
TV show called M.A.N.T.I.S. The writer I was working for asked me if I'd like to
stay on full time. When I said yes, I knew I was putting acting on the back
burner for long time.
After making my movie, JACKS OR
BETTER, I wrote a script called HANNAH'S ADVENTURES IN SPACE, which did well in
a couple of script contests and landed me two different managers, but everyone
said it was such a big budget project that it couldn't sell without a built-in
audience. I had been told for years that I should turn it into a book, but I
didn't want to be one of those bad screenwriters who show up in theatres in Los
Angeles trying to do their movie as a play so they can sell it as a film.
My beloved theatre is not their
stepping stone.
My Dad has always been a struggling
novelist, so I knew that writers felt the same way about their art as I did
about mine. When I did decide to try Hannah's Adventures In Space as a novel, I
worked hard to learn the art, the world, the culture of being a novelist. I
worked with my Dad on that manuscript. He taught me a ton. Even with the
suggestions I didn't agree with, I learned that I have a voice. Through a
writing group here in LA and on Agent Query Connect, I polished even more.
Now I consider myself a writer -- be
it stage, screen, or novel -- whatever is best for the story and the
marketplace.
EB: That’s an important distinction I think a lot of writers
don’t understand. How do you determine whether a story is a novel, a
screenplay, or a play?
RSM: In a word? Budget. (laughs).
I think the story is the story is
the story, regardless of the medium in which it's told – but the telling of the story changes. You have
to take advantage of what each format brings you. POV for example. In Hannah's
Adventures, the screenplay, I can put the leads in different locations and cut
between them even though Nadir, the sidekick, is the narrator. That's an
excepted convention of film. The book is in first person, too, but the medium
isn't so forgiving. Nadir had to be involved in every scene. At first, this
stopped me dead in my tracks. My Dad and I worked hard on how to
"introduce the evidence" into the story – but once we did, it became
much stronger. Now, if I ever get to go back to the screenplay, I have to put
those changes in where they help the telling of the story in a movie, and keep
them out where they don't.
My current project, Billy Bobble Has
a Magic Wand, started as a bad short story, became an even worse TV pilot, then
a pretty good novel. At least I think so. Now, I've gone back to the TV pilot,
taken a breath, and slowed my pace. A TV series gives a writer hours and hours
of time to tell the story. Each episode is just a chapter or two. Characters
can develop almost in real time. It's a whole new challenge, and a whole new
field to run around in. I'm having fun.
EB: How do you approach a new story or novel? What spurs
your ideas?
RSM: Damned if I know. If I'm
actively trying to come up with a new story I try to get really, really bored. I
wrote in high school that, if necessity is the mother of invention, then
boredom is the father. If I give my brain nothing to do, it will start
entertaining itself, then I just listen.
I also try to forget a new idea as
soon as I get it. The ones that keep coming back are the ones worth working on.
Right now I have ideas lined up like planes landing at LAX. My problem is
juggling writing time, selling time, and life time. But every writer knows
about that.
EB: Yes, indeed. I just saw an arrivals board appear in my
mind with the titles of a dozen of my works in progress and works in a mental
holding pattern. Seems like everything’s being delayed. Must be bad weather
over Cleveland.
RSM: And don't you love it when
someone says, "You're a writer? You know, I have an idea for a
book..." You want to point to that board and say, "try another
airline."
(Both laugh)
EB: Anyway, the stories that appeared in Spring Fevers and The Fall were both pieces you’d written years ago and had to revise
to make a bit more accessible to a contemporary audience. In digging through
your trunk, what have you found about your writing and how it’s progressed over
the years?
RSM: I think every writer has those
moments when they read some old work and think, "I wrote that!?" This
can be an exclamation of joy or dread. I have a lot of stories in the trunk
that I hope to burn before I die for fear of someone reading them -- but with “The
Idea Exchange” (Spring Fevers) and “The
Last Performance of the Neighborhood Summer Theatre Festival” (The Fall), I felt like I'd channeled
some other, better, writer. Sure, they needed polishing, but not as much as I
had thought they would.
That's the thing about short
stories, there really is no good reason to write them except that you must. There
is a lot of passion in short stories, and that almost always makes for great
writing.
EB: I think that’s a great way to close. Thanks, R.S. for
your time and sharing your experience with us.
RSM: Thank you.
2 comments:
Matt - once again, thank you for a great time with Spring Fevers, The Fall, and this interview. Always a pleasure.
Thank you! And I trust we'll hear more from you.
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